Sadhguru Exclusive: Disembodied Beings: The Wandering Dead - Ep. 1 (of 6)

Sadhguru Exclusive
Disembodied Beings: The Wandering Dead - Ep. 1 (of 6)
18 minutes - 1998
Transcript


When a person dies, as in life not everybody lives the same way even if you give them the same opportunity, so in death not everybody dies the same way. When I say they do not die the same way I am not talking about one died of heart attack, another died of cancer, another died crashing his car, another died hanging from a rope - I'm not talking about that.


Those are only causes of death. That's not death. You need some cause. Something has to break or time has to run out. Time running out what it means...something breaking, you know? Somebody went and had an accident, body broke, that means body became inhospitable for life. Life may still be vibrant but body became inhospitable for life so life has to exit. Your heart missed 2 beats instead of 1, you're dead. That's an accident. Or you know, all these micro life which is floating around, you took in the wrong number of bacteria, you could be dead, because it damaged the body. It doesn't matter how it happened, but essentially if body gets damaged due to some reason, then if it becomes inhospitable for life to sustain itself, then there is a breakdown of body. Because there is breakdown of body there is an exiting of life process. We will consider all these are accidental deaths or unnatural deaths. What would be a natural death then?


A natural death means - what you call as my life is a certain amount of energy controlled by a certain amount of information. This information in today's verbology, we can call it software. So certain amount of life energy charged with a certain amount of information - now together - this information technology is you. You become a certain kind of character because a certain type of information that's gone into you. Somebody has become different because of the type of information that's gotten into him. This information traditionally we call it as karma or the karmic body or the causal body which causes life.


So if we use a simpler term of karma or the karmic body - in this there are two dimensions, two fundamental dimensions. One is Sanchita karma. This is the warehouse of karma. This goes back to a single-celled animal and even inanimate substances from where life evolved. All the information is there. If you close your eyes, become aware enough and look into yourself, you will know the nature of the universe.


Not because you're looking at it through your head, simply because this information is present in the making of the body. That is your Sanchita Karma.


You can not take your warehouse and do retail business, you know. You need to have another shop to do retail business. So that retail that is for this life is called Prarabdha.


Prarabdha Karma is a certain amount of information allotted for this life. Depending upon the vibrancy of your life, life allots itself how much information it can take on. Natural death means the information runs out, life becomes feeble. That if a person dies like this, he clearly knows that he is going to die and you will see extraordinary wisdom they will display because they are dying a natural death.


When information runs out, life peters out slowly and this is not tortuous. This is very beautiful. Even if you lived a bad life the last few moments will become very peaceful, wonderful and perceptive.


You will see.... I don't know if any of you have seen any old people dying naturally in your homes. If you have seen, the last few days they will suddenly become so wise, they're not attached to anything around them, they are showing an extraordinary sense of maturity, which they have failed to show throughout their life. [audience laughes]


Have you noticed this sometimes? Some people die like this because that's a natural death. Natural death is not a bad death. It's a good thing. It's a good thing for you and a good thing for others that you are leaving, you know. Naturally - not being forced out of your body. Naturally moving out. This will naturally bring awareness and the necessary perception and this is very good, a good way to go.


But if information has not run out because ...[draws breath and looks around at the audience]...Till you're 80 you're trying to live like a teenager, so information doesn't run out.


How rapidly you empty out your Prarabdha depends on how quickly you move from one aspect of life to another. If you are 80 and still think like a teenager - you still want to romance somebody, you still want to go sit in the streetside and watch a woman walking on the street - what you should have done at 16 or 18 you can't get rid of it - then your prarabdha will not go. Now, it doesn't matter if you live to a hundred, still you will die an unnatural death, because body will run out but information will not.



So, if one dies and his information is not done - his prarabdha is not done, then life is still vibrant but body is gone. Then something must be done for him. Something must be done to help. If you don't do that, if you do not do the right things about him, he will unnecessarily wander.


So, this disembodied life has no discriminatory mind. It will tend to go by it's tendencies. Whatever karmic substance which is still not dissovled, which will...which will form a certain type of tendency, will drive it in certain directions.


Certain directions means...there's many aspects to it. If I say these things, you will start imagining things tonight. Here we cleaned up the place. Wherever...[draws breath, looks up, drums fingers on thigh, finally looks at audience]...this is dangerous! Wherever there is life and the life is of such a nature that it breathes minimally....breaths minimally means...the oxygen levels around it, oxygen is not the factor, but anything that is life nurturing is at minimal level around it - not in terms of energy but in terms of physical forces. So we can call it oxygen. For example, a tamarind tree...you know we got one [points to courtyard]. Always around a temple, they will plant a tamarind tree - not bang in the front, but you know, we had it readymade so we left it there. You always heard in India ghosts will hang on a tamarind tree, have you? Why a tamarind tree is...I want you to just go tonight and notice it. [audience laughs]


[waves hand laughing with audience]


No, no. Don't get me wrong. Not the ghosts. If you go and watch the tamarind tree...if you go and watch the other trees...you will see lot of birds will be sitting for the night's rest. No bird will settle down on a tamarind tree. No monkey will settle down on a tamarind tree. Though there is fruit, daytime they will eat, night nobody will settle there because the level of oxygen around a tamarind tree is extremely low compared to other vegetation that you can find. There are other trees also, a few of them, but this one is significantly so. So because there is not enough oxygen the birds don't settle, other life doesn't settle. Because there is no other life settling and lack of oxygen - in physical terms, for a mindless life - feels like death and dissolution. So it tends to move in that direction.


It may also move in the direction of a yogi who has a certain mastery over his breath because he is not breathing as much as others are breathing. We've been telling you your breath will slow down as you do your practice. Hatha Yoga people must be noticing this. As you do your Hatha Yoga, your number of breaths per minute is coming down. Better utilization of the environment around you, but in terms of physical forces, there is less happening around you than somebody who is puffing all the time. Maybe a cigarette smoker, who knows? We need to test this out. A cobra, just to name a few, these are things where disembodied beings naturally will tend to move toward. If it moves toward a Yogi - no problem. He will do what he has to do with them. Tamarind tree, they can hang there. If it's in front of a place like Dhyanalinga, that handles it.


A cobra also has a certain influence on this life. This is why the relationship between cobra and life and birth and cycles and works is simply because it attracts disembodied beings, simply because it holds it's breath for long periods of time. It exhales once in 7 to 9 minutes or even every 12 minutes if it's a large snake. Because of this, these things move. Or in other words, essentially what you need to understand is they have no discriminatory mind, they move by tendencies. If you have certain tendencies, a certain type of life may come toward you but they cannot harm you, they cannot do anything to you because they have no intention, they have no mind. They're just looking for some place to move. Whichever way their tendencies blow them, they're moving that way - mindless life, nondiscriminatory life. It is not choosing you as a choice, but if the way you are and their tendencies match, they tend to move toward you.


You need to understand there is no such thing as a ghost. You are a ghost with body. Someone lost their body, does it make them more dangerous or less dangerous? Hmm? Less dangerous. They lost their mind and body. They are less dangerous than these people [points at audience]. So they do not become more dangerous when they lose their mind and body. They become far less dangerous. It's just that your mind can do enormous damage to you simply because of extraordinary levels of fear that one generates when somebody sees such things.


Yesterday we had someone, a California-born person who is in India. They took him into the forest. He went, you know, just a 15 minute walk to the Vaibhave Shiva spot. [Video pans showing the spot the Californian toured.] Looked around, "Where are the animals? Where is the elephant? Where is the tiger?" He thought they would all be sitting there [audience laughs] waiting for him to see. So it's not like ghosts are coming to attack you and do something. No, they're just like breeze. In southern India - I don't know if they use this word in Tamil - at least in Kannada - they call these forces as gaali. Gaali means just air or breeze. It's a most appropriate word descripton. Is there a Tamil word like that? [looks at audience].


[someone from audience says Aavi]


Aavi. Aavi is like steam. It's the most appropriate description. It's just like steam or breeze. Whichever way it goes they go that way. They have no mind of their own. If a ghost comes, you can just do "OOOF" [puffs air out], they will go. [audience laughs and claps]. Really! Because they have no mind, they have no body, by tendencies they're floating around, simply they'll go. It is a very appropriate description to call it gaali or aavi because that is how it is.

Sadhguru Exclusive: Disembodied Beings: Spooky Tales of Wholeness - Ep. 3 (of 6)

Sadhguru Exclusive
Disembodied Beings: Spooky Tales of Wholeness - Ep. 3 (of 6) - [edit: I am guessing it's 3?
For some reason the video no longer shows where it is in the sequential numbering - maybe because they plan on taking it down in the future? I have noticed some videos I saw in the beginning are no longer available! I only know that (for now) there are 6 total on this topic. I'm labeling it 3 because that's about when I first saw it.]
15 minutes - 1994
Transcript


*****
Transcriber's note: The video this transcript is from was illustrated throughout with many paintings by one or more very skilled artist(s) because the lectures exist only as an audio file.
*****

Female voice - Q: How does one differentiate between imagination and reality, because past few days I see an apparation who seems to be a woman.

[video cuts to painting of a woman with medium length blonde hair with a beard and mustache styled like Jesus' beard/mustache. She is hiding but peeking out from behind a door looking longingly at a Sadhguru class.]


Q continues: She never comes in the open, but seems to be lurking behind and watching us all the time.


[Video cuts to a painting of a much younger Sadhguru - all black hair, no grey anywhere. Much younger face. I think the painting is from an actual photograph of an early 1980s Sadhguru sitting on a slightly elevated cushioned stage with mics everywhere. A large class of orange robed disciples are listening to him].

Sadhguru's A:

See, it is not that she has a physical existence. It is physical of course but not this physical. You understand? It is not this physical. It is still physical, very, very subtle physical. It is not that she has manifested herself in any way, it's...(pauses)...she is like that.


Learnt spiritual path clandestinely, probably. It is so. The intensity is such that you know the growth has happened to some extent and the whole barrier was that you are not a man. You know the whole...(pauses)...so the only longing is that, "If I had come as a man, I would have gotten it." That's the whole thing. So now even as a woman you go around with a beard. And still, you know the karma of being clandestine is not dropped.


Right now there is enough opportunity that she can directly approach and it will be over, but still that same thing of doing things so that the man doesn't know. That's how...(pauses)....


That is how women have lived for centuries. She can, but the attitude, the karma with which you have lived and died, it is a little hard to overcome. It's not impossible but, you know, it's a certain attitude. Probably she is not able to comprehend that there are so many women here. If she can really understand that, I think things will be much more easier. She can see that she is also fit enough. Probably she still cannot.


See now when you don't have a physical body, you don't see a physical body also. To see this body you need these eyes. To see that body, you need a different kind of eyes. Now she has only those eyes. So she sees me, not this body, she sees only that. Similarly she sees only that with everybody so she is not able to see, "This is a woman", "This is a man". If she could see that, all her running around business will be over. Let us see. There is a lot of time. She really hovers around desperately.


Sadhguru continues: She is not a ghost.


Not the way you have known ghosts. This is a spiritual person whose life is extended beyond the physical body. ...(pauses)...What do I do with a woman with a beard? [one can hear Sadhguru 'tsk' gently. You can just hear him shaking his head sadly].


See the beard is not real, it is just your own consciousness. You wish so much that you were a man, so some symbol of manhood hangs around you. It's almost like there are so many people here. Maybe not many but at least a few. Their call is you know, like...sometimes it's almost like you have a fish hook in your gut and somebody pulls you. It is like that. I just get up and I just feel like walking from Wholeness Program and I just stay on. It's different levels of growth, lack of proper guidance, people just go there and that's it.


The urge is so tremendous but there is no method. Just one push the man will go, but that one little push, there is nobody to give.


[video cuts to different painting of black haired Sadhguru teaching orange-robed disciples]


[Audio file quality changes so you can tell the next portion is from a different class titled - First Teacher's Training Class - Date: July 1994 at Isha Yoga Center]

[Sadhguru about certain disembodied beings hanging around him:]

Sadhguru:

People who came into my room, you should have noticed that I moved from the cot down. Because it was very uncomfortable for them to hang around. So I come down to the floor. I am sleeping on the floor for the last 3 days. They are around, they just want to sit there.

[Male voice - Q: Do they talk to you?]

Sadhguru A:

There is no communication. Those 30 days they would appear, when I look, they would be, behind something, disappearing, like this, it was going on. Now they have become very bold. They're just there all the time. They have gotten used to the place. They are very, you know? You know like the birds, one wrong movement, they fly off. You know, if you have done any bird watching, you have to watch them very, very carefully. One wrong movement they all fly off. So they are like that.


[Same male voice - Q: What do you mean by wrong movement?]


Sadhguru A:

Wrong movement would be, maybe very brisk movement of the body, see, they don't see the body. All that action, the amount of disturbance in the energy that it creates. When a person moves like this, the amount of disturbance that he creates in the atmosphere around him, they understand it in their own way. They perceive it in their own way. And they are very sensitive to these things. They don't like, dhamal dhimeel thing.

Female voice - Q: There is a being here wrapped in rough raiment who is always sticking to the corners? Why doesn't he move more freely like the other bhootha prethas?


[Video explains that Bhootha Prethas are disembodied beings and spirits]


Sadhguru A:

Yes, he didn't like the activity here so he's in a corner. But he wants to be here. They still live in their own habit patterns. The same old karmas, everything is the same. Just that the body has moved into a subtle nature. The grossness is gone. That's all.


Female voice - Q: Why are they here? What do they want?


Sadhguru A:

What do they want? These are not ghosts in the usual sense. What you call as ghosts are unfulfilled, lost beings. Something unfulfilled. Frustrated beings, usually. These are beings who have walked the spiritual path, but have not reached the goal. Somewhere, a little break. So either they have consciously chosen. One or two of them may have consciously chosen to remain in their subtle body and work out their remaining karma. Others have been granted this kind of a state. It's little more, one more chance. Superannuation you can say. You don't have to be born once again. Just find your way out here and that's it. It's over. So, there is time like that. So they are just hanging around.


[Male voice - Q: Are you helping them?]


Sadhguru A:

Not yet. See, I can pardon you if you don't help yourself from what I am but even people who have transcended their physical limitations, even if they can't help themselves, there is no pardon for them. You understand?

[Different male voice - Q: You are more strict with them?]

Sadhguru A:

Not a question of strict. As you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. You know, it's ok, first day you came here to SSY (one of Isha's yoga programs) you were acting stupid. It is all right. But as you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. And when a person has gone beyond his physical nature, that person, I expect him to be a lot more sensible.


[3rd different male voice - Q: How do they know you are a master?]


Sadhguru A:

They don't know your language, your master business, your guru business - all this. They only know the bag is empty. They are just seeing how to empty theirs and go. That's all. They don't know all this SSY, BSP (2 different Isha Yoga programs) and all this nonsense.


[2nd female Q - Is it a lot of work to dissolve them?]


Sadhguru A:

The work is just one moment. Understand. It's not a great teaching that I have to give them. If the work has to be done, it's just one moment. All they have to do is empty their bags into mine and go. That's all. It's as simple as that. It's just that they have to develop that much trust and that much of confidence.


[4th different male voice - Q: Even they have these trust and confidence problems?]


Sadhguru A:

Yes they have, mentally they have the same problems that you have. Only physical problems they are free. They don't have the bodily problems that you have. But otherwise their bag of karma is just, you know? Maybe their bag is small. They're just carrying a hand bag. But they have the same problems. They took so long to, you know, come and sit there. All these days, they were this moment there, the next moment not there. Appearing, disappearing. Now, they're continuously sitting there and beginning to enjoy themselves. It took a lot of time for you to do that, isn't it? Yes.