Sadhguru Exclusive: Disembodied Beings: Possessed by a Spirit - Ep 2 (of 6)

Sadhguru Exclusive
Disembodied Beings: Possessed by a Spirit - Ep. 2 (of 6)
14 minutes - 1998
Transcript


[Video of Sadhguru sitting on a cushioned bench. Dressed in white robes and white swami-hat.]


Sadhguru:


This happened when I was just...uh...(pauses)...this was not the first time, but this is one of the things that I saw. My father's grandfather's sister


[my note: Sadhguru is saying this is the sister of his great-grandfather...thus, a great-aunt - I think this is how it's reckoned in genealogy trees].


Sadhguru continues: So her daughters, 2 of them, 1 of them [my note: I think that makes the great-aunt's daughters Sadhguru's 2nd-degree cousins according to genealogy] was visiting us when we were in Mysore. I am a 3rd, 4th standard (ie 3rd grade-4th grade in U.S. terms), what would I be? Maybe I'm 8 years of age, probably...and this girl must have been in her late teens, kind of 18-19 kind of girl and there have been so much stories about their family and possessions.


When we have gone to their house they're telling about how ghosts are walking around in their house, how they dismantle this, dismantle that, the noises that they hear and the imprints that they've seen in the house, all kinds of things. And actually they showed me a few things which really intrigued me, that, you know, like they will be sleeping and somebody will whack them, you know, that, you know, like they will be sleeping and somebody will whack them, you know, like slap them in the face and actually marks, finger marks left on their face.


They were telling this all to my father and my father just dismissed this off as nonsense and you know, he was..he is a doctor and he is like, all this nonsense he just dismisses it off, all this.


Then this girl is visiting us, many months after this thing and in the morning big commotion. She was sleeping in the same room as my sisters and she put her arms around my sister's neck like this and she slept.

[Video shows a painting of 2 girls sleeping...1 with her arm like a V-armbar over the other girl's neck]


And in the morning, like this about 7:30 - 8:00 we are supposed to leave for school, whatever you do you can't open this arm of hers. She is a very puny little girl, okay? She's just about 5 feet in height and very, very puny girl. And 3-4 people - whatever they do - she is simply sleeping like this. My sister is awake and she is screaming her head out. [audience laughs] She wants to get up but this is like steel, it's just like this. And they got - you know. they called the hospital punes to come. 2 grown men came and they're trying to literally break her arm. It just won't open.


[Video shows Sadhguru from the back as a little 8 year old watching this scene]


They're struggling with this for more than 1-1.5 hours. So my sister is crying, terrified she is, she is crying and crying but they can't release her from this grip and this girl is simply sleeping. They put water on her, they did all kinds of things, they're slapping her to wake her up - nothing. Then my mother is crying, "What's going to happen to the girl?" and you know, it's a big commotion in the house.


So I am happy we're not going to school today!


[Audience bursts out laughing, hooting and clapping. Sadhguru laughs]


We just need an incident you know? [Audience laughs some more] and here is the perfect incident and these things always intrigued me. So I am looking at this and I am too small to exert my physical strength, but these full grown men are holding (the puny girl) by the shoulder and trying to open this elbow, they can't open this elbow. All this crying and commotion is happening, then my mother goes into, you know, in India always every home has a shrine and she was initiated when she was very young and she always kept certain things going every day for herself and she went into the shrine and there was a kind of a....

Sadhguru hums thinking of his mom's guru...pauses....

kind of a yogi and an occult person mixed. He was a devotee of Hanuman, you know Hanuman? So he is a devotee of Hanuman. I have been there to this man.


[video cuts to a painting of a yogi sitting at a table hands folded with a painting of Hanuman on the wall behind him]. He was a doctor by profession and he dropped that and he turned into a complete this-kind-of-thing where people, every Sunday morning he will see people and hundreds of people will gather.


My father, 100% atheist and non-believer at that time, later on he became very devout. So when my father was maybe in his...I don't really remember his age...he must have been in his late 30s or early 40s, suddenly his blood urea rose to peak points and his medical knowledge told him that he has only a year or two left. So he became very emotional about this and I, you know, I always overheard things and he was talking to my mother and my mother was crying and he said, "Children are also young, what'll happen? I have to make this arrangement, that arrangement." As he spoke my mother was breaking up more and more. He thought he is going for sure.


So at that time, he knew him (the guru) because he was a doctor in the past, that man, and now he has turned (to) this and somebody said go to him. His name is Maruti Rao. Maruti means Hanuman. He changed his name probably or maybe that was the original name, I'm not sure. Every Sunday morning, hundreds of people gathered to see him and I went there to see him and he was all, you know, Vibhuti (consecrated wood ashes) and this and that, he would sit bare-chested and he had a kind of power about him. I liked the way the man sat there, he was something. I did not understand what he was at that time. It looked funny to me, this Hanuman worship and everything but he looked impressive, the way he was, he was impressive in his presence, in everything. So my father went to him and he said, "This is something that has happened and this is it and within two weeks I'll set this right." And as part of that he did many things in two weeks' time my Dad's blood work was perfectly ok and he was normal. So since then, my father became [Sadhguru kowtows like a devotee] a devotee. Not a complete devotee of his but he had great regard and respect for him because his education freaked him up that he thought if you have this kind of blood urea levels you must be going, but now suddenly he became perfectly ok without any treatment, with some simple things that that man did and after that he gave them a kind of a bangle. It's still there. I, you know, I made similar things later, much, much later but he made a bangle, a copper thing with copper wire wound around it and he gave it to my father, "At any time if you feel ill or anything you just keep it under your pillow and sleep, it'll become normal for you." It's only for him.


So this...because there was no use, my father was healthy so it was kept in the pooja (alt spelling - puja) room.


[video cuts to a painting of a small alter with paintings of deities, flowers and incense before each deity painting.]

So when nothing worked for this girl, somehow my mother got this idea and she just brought this and put it on the girl's other hand or something and immediately she released. The moment they put this bangle, I was witnessing this, as they put this bangle she just released and, [video cuts to painting of the two girls sitting up..one gasping for breath holding her chest..the other rubbing her eyes]...."Ha, ha," she woke up as if she's bewildered about something and then this girl is narrating everything that's happened in the house since morning. And she said, whoever possessed her told her that my mother is abusing her, who is this devil who's possessed this little girl and whatever else and all those things she's saying word by word which was not spoken in her presence and that girl was completely unconscious. Everything she is, you know, saying like as if she heard every bit of the conversation. Like this, after that I witnessed many things like this.


So there's a whole history to that family and whatever else, that's different. They were not psychologically ill, for sure. So this whole tamasha happened and after that I witnessed many other situations like this. But most of the time what I have seen, 90% of the time, these things are psychological. A little bit of it, it may be there. Rest of it, your own mind will drive you crazy. Tomorrow morning when you come out of your house, when you open your door, there is a skull and blood all over and some other this-this-this, you know.


[video cuts to painting of door house with skull and dog's tail on the front steps and blood on the ground everywhere]


Make it as weird as you can. A dog's tail and a human's skull and something else and all that stuff, now you see this, that's it. You will become ill. You will become sick, your business will go bad, everything negative will happen to you because a certain fear grips you. So most of the time, 90% of the time it is just psychological. But yes, there is a science like that, that one can use their energies negatively. One can use energies negatively to cause harm to somebody else.


What is the protection? One thing if you are on spiritual sadhana you don't bother about all those things. You don't even think about those things. Another way is, you can wear certain protections like a rudraksh, you know?

[my note: a rudraksh is a kind of rosary (mala) strung with the seeds of the rudraksh tree.]


A rudraksh is like a protection against any kind of negativity, but you need not bother about those things. You just keep your focus in life and keep going. If you are in sadhana, you just don't bother, it will be taken care of. It's mostly receded, very little of that is happening, and that little has nothing to do with you.

[video cuts to what looks like images from some b-grade spooky movies - one shows a woman chanting verses, making certain mudras then scattering something over a small pit of flames, etc.]


Sadhguru continues....


But if you live in certain areas, certain parts of the country, this is very rampant...


[video cuts again to yet more b-grade spooky movies - one of a woman shaping a voodoo doll over a grimoire and skull then sticking needles into the doll.]


...because there are a few people doing these things in those areas, so they can cause immense damage to people. One thing is if you have such impacts, you come and sit in the sphere of Dhyanalinga (ie Dhyanalinga Temple)...


[video cuts to what must be a camera-drone flying over the top of the Dhyanalinga temple. It is huge surrounded by lush green forests and mountains in the background. Video shows the various buildings around the temple and then cuts to the temple interior, etc.]


....back to transcript....


One thing is if you have such impacts, you come and sit in the sphere of Dhyanalinga, because there are occult dimensions to Dhyanalinga which just nullifies all this. There are hundreds of people who think they are possessed and all this and we just tell them, "Five minutes, ten minutes you sit there and go." They go out completely free because the occult dimensions are taken care of in the Dhyanalingam area.


[video again cuts to interior of Dhyanalinga temple but this time with ordinary people in everyday clothes (a few disciples in disciple robes too) sitting cross-legged in front of the immense alter.]


You can do it from here also. It is not necessary you have to come there, but once again it's your receptivity, you are more receptive if you are in the actual presence of it. You can just spend a little time there. If you fear that something like this has been done to you, one Pournami or Amavasya when things are more receptive for you, just one day you sit there and go, that's all. It gets taken care of.

Sadhguru Exclusive: The Tantric Way - No. 1 (of 6)

Sadhguru Exclusive
The Tantric Way
16 minutes - 1998
Location of talk: Isha Yoga Center - Volunteers Meet
Transcript

[video opens with various images of tantric deities and various yogis..then finally switches to Sadhguru sitting calmly draped in robes, rudraksh mala and swami turban]


When we say tantra, the word tantra has acquired a completely distorted meaning in today's world. Because the world generally - particularly in the western world - has invested so much in sensuousness that if you as much as utter the word 'body', their mind runs to sensuous thoughts. In such a state of mind and attitude exploring tantra is not only going to be ridiculous, it could be dangerous and damaging for individual people. Unless one has the ability to use this body and this mind as you would use any other gadget or a machine or an instrument, tantra is not a thing to explore. We need to understand this, the word tantra essentially means technology or a method. The essential distinction between yoga and tantra is yoga is a technology which is entirely internalized, not something that everybody is competent of because of it's so internalized. The work that needs to be done, to be able to access this body, access this being and use the internal nature of what this is needs discipline, lots of work and without a strong element of grace, may not even succeed. Incremental success - yes; a full-fledged success cannot be achieved unless there is a strong element of grace.


Tantra is another matter, it's more procedural in nature. If you learn the procedure right it could deliver you there. It's more like the physical sciences of today where many substances of the world are involved. The external nature of your body is involved. The imaginative part of your mind is involved and a strong emotional dimension is also involved.


Yoga is devoid of all this. Yoga is...(pauses with eyes closed)...has a lab like cleanliness. Tantra has no such cleanliness but to put it simply it's more people friendly. It's people friendly because it has many possibilities, many opportunities. It is not life-taking discipline, just learning to use the same things that you do with regular life, use the same things in a different way. Whatever is generally considered as entangling, trying to transform that itself - you like to eat food? Transform the way you eat the food and it becomes a spiritual process. You will see a whole lot of tantric teachers are huge.


Yogis are always proper and prim because what they have to eat and nothing more. [Sadhguru motions with slimness] Tantric teachers are big because they are not bothered about those things. [Sadhguru motions with hands a big human with big belly.]


So the same life processes which are considered samsara or cyclical, learning to ride that cycle in a way that it becomes liberating. The way of the yoga is not to get tangled up with the cycle, to stay away from it. It's a safe path, a clean path. This is a mix up, all kinds of things, but it's people friendly because people are anyway mixed up. The whole population is never going to become super disciplined as to how to do very internalized processes, it'll always be a small segment of people.


[video cuts to pan a long row of gold colored statues of Buddhist monks sitting in lotus posture with a larger statue of a gold colored Shakyamuni Buddha behind them all]


Gautama might have believed that he will make the whole world into monks. Well...forty thousand is not a world alright.


[video cuts to show many modern day Buddhist monks from around the world - China, Tibet, Malaysia, etc]


40,000 monks he made. I don't intend even that many. This is...that path is for those who have a certain kind of sam...samskara within them, certain kind of karmic background within them [video cuts to show a Tibetan monk twirling a prayer wheel]


Others if they go on that path, it'll become ridiculous, even those who have that samskara if they don't maintain a certain sense of discipline in this life all their samskara will go up in smoke and they will become lost.


[video cuts to a man walking on a tightrope...camera is looking upward and the man is clearly high above]


Because it's a tight rope walk. How many can walk on the rope? Everybody can walk on the road but the road has market place on the side, has other attractions on the side, many will get lost, they'll never go anywhere. But it's people friendly because they're walking on the road, the road that they know, already known in their life. Not different. Only thing is the same processes learning to use it differently, which is people friendly but at the same time in...(pauses)...on the long run it's far more complicated because till they arrive at that place - getting lost, finding your way, getting lost, finding your way - becomes a normal process.


I must tell you this, I knew a tantric in Mysore, I knew his son, who is little older than me but he ran a...a kind of a restaurant. It was....it was called Bug's Place. Not because it was full of bugs, his name was Bhaghat Singh and he called his little place as Bug's Place. This is a place where all the motorcycle riders of Mysore want to meet because the conversation is around the speed (Sadhguru laughs softly). So every day that is the conversation - how can you make a motorcycle go little faster than the way it's going right now, at the same time sometimes it's transcended and we discussed about how to make this world a better place. I got drawn to Bug's father because Bug's father was a tantric. He's an ex-army man but he became a Devi worshiper and he had a Devi at home.


[video shows a rough-looking biker man bowing to a Devi deity at a home alter]


And in the evening four o'clock he will sit there, people start coming in, he does his pooja whole day and evening four o'clock he sits with the public, open to the public. People start coming - the only offering is always rum bottles. If people bring full, full rum bottles, simply gudu, gudu, gudu, gudu - [Sadhguru is imitating rum-drinking noise - *gudu*] even water you cannot drink like that.


[video cuts to painting of same rough-looking man up-ending a rum bottle and drinking it all]


You cannot drink 750 ml of water straight, ok? I cannot at least. Drinks full bottle of rum like that - *drumm* - he'll keep it. And another half an hour later another person comes, he brings another rum bottle - *durrrrrrr* - he'll drink and keep it there, he'll just sprinkle something for the Devi, Devi takes drops (audience laughs)


[video shows painting of man sprinkling drops of rum on Devi statue].


He will drink fully, in at...in that evening three to four full bottles of rum he will drink and he will sit there, talk normally to people and give them all kinds of solutions, he predicts things for them and he sees things and all this. People came with great devotion to him. So our Bugs also took to his father's ways. Not all of it, just the drink and he died at 37, ok?


[video shows painting of younger man standing in front of the Devi statue and drinking a full bottle of rum]


His father died when he is in his late 70s, he died at 37 because he practiced only one part of tantra, the rum. Rest of the tantra never came to him. Only the rum he practiced and he died at 37. He didn't drink the...as much rum as...as his father drank. He probably drank 10% of it and died, ok? So that is the way of the tantra.


[Video cuts to painting of a monk striding purposefully]


So, you know this happened - Adi Shankara was walking with his disciples, he saw...you know outside a village at that time alcohol was always outside the town or outside the village, now it's coming to everybody's homes. It has to be outside the town, if somebody wants to drink they go out and drink, never inside the dwelling places. So he saw a group of people all inebriated in different states - he saw. He wanted to see what is is, he went. He...this is toddy, he took a pot full of toddy and drank and walked. The disciples who were walking behind him started debating, "Well our guru is drinking, what are we doing?" So the next village they went to they also drank not a pot but something and they started behind him. He just noticed they're all inebriated, so he waited for some time when they came to another town, he walked through the town, and he went to the blacksmith's place, there was molten iron, he drank that and walked on. They got the message; they didn't try to drink (laughter).


[video cuts to painting of disciples kneeling, bowing down with praying hands at Adi Shankara who is shown upright, unfazed, simply holding his walking staff gazing gently at his disciples].


So tantra has this problem because it's day-to-day things that you're using as a spiritual process, people may just get entangled in that. Right now in the West their understanding of tantra is just sexuality.


Because they (ie tantric yogis) used every possible way to attain to something. Nothing was barred, because they never saw anything as right or wrong. Whatever human beings are doing, use the same things to elevate yourself - this is the way of the tantra.


But when you have a discriminatory mindset this becomes a dangerous process, because now you will choose what to do. You chose only the rum - not the morning pooja that he did. He gets up at 4 o'clock in the morning, through the day he is doing his pooja - that did not seem very attractive to you, the evening rum looks nice, you did just that part of it. It take away your life but yoga will never do that.


[Video cuts to an outline of a man standing on one leg, other leg bent at angle over standing leg thigh while holding hands in namaskar (praying palms at chest level)]



In yoga you will either progress rapidly or slowly but you will not get lost because it's internalized path, you cannot get lost. You can go slowly or you can go rapidly depending upon what you're doing and how you're doing but you will not get lost. So, combinations were used.


[video cuts to same yogi doing various things like Pranayama, various yoga poses, etc]



When it comes to the disciple it's only yoga, when it comes to the guru, he exercises tantra on the disciple in different ways, in ways that they will not know, but as far as the disciple... disciple is concerned is yoga. This is a wise methodology for today, otherwise people will go somewhere else because is a big problem in today's world. You cannot instruct anybody anything. You tell them to do something, they'll do something else. Yes, always.



Because if they don't do that little something else their mind will suffer, they have to leave a footprint on everything that they do. Their own little stupid thing they have to do. Those who want to leave footprints must understand they will never fly. That is the bane of humanity right now. They want to leave a footprint on everything, that means they'll never fly.