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Disembodied Beings: Spooky Tales of Wholeness - Ep. 3 (of 6) - [edit: I am guessing it's 3?
For some reason the video no longer shows where it is in the sequential numbering - maybe because they plan on taking it down in the future? I have noticed some videos I saw in the beginning are no longer available! I only know that (for now) there are 6 total on this topic. I'm labeling it 3 because that's about when I first saw it.]
15 minutes - 1994
Transcript
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Transcriber's note: The video this transcript is from was illustrated throughout with many paintings by one or more very skilled artist(s) because the lectures exist only as an audio file.
*****
Female voice - Q: How does one differentiate between imagination and reality, because past few days I see an apparation who seems to be a woman.
[video cuts to painting of a woman with medium length blonde hair with a beard and mustache styled like Jesus' beard/mustache. She is hiding but peeking out from behind a door looking longingly at a Sadhguru class.]
Q continues: She never comes in the open, but seems to be lurking behind and watching us all the time.
[Video cuts to a painting of a much younger Sadhguru - all black hair, no grey anywhere. Much younger face. I think the painting is from an actual photograph of an early 1980s Sadhguru sitting on a slightly elevated cushioned stage with mics everywhere. A large class of orange robed disciples are listening to him].
Sadhguru's A:
See, it is not that she has a physical existence. It is physical of course but not this physical. You understand? It is not this physical. It is still physical, very, very subtle physical. It is not that she has manifested herself in any way, it's...(pauses)...she is like that.
Learnt spiritual path clandestinely, probably. It is so. The intensity is such that you know the growth has happened to some extent and the whole barrier was that you are not a man. You know the whole...(pauses)...so the only longing is that, "If I had come as a man, I would have gotten it." That's the whole thing. So now even as a woman you go around with a beard. And still, you know the karma of being clandestine is not dropped.
Right now there is enough opportunity that she can directly approach and it will be over, but still that same thing of doing things so that the man doesn't know. That's how...(pauses)....
That is how women have lived for centuries. She can, but the attitude, the karma with which you have lived and died, it is a little hard to overcome. It's not impossible but, you know, it's a certain attitude. Probably she is not able to comprehend that there are so many women here. If she can really understand that, I think things will be much more easier. She can see that she is also fit enough. Probably she still cannot.
See now when you don't have a physical body, you don't see a physical body also. To see this body you need these eyes. To see that body, you need a different kind of eyes. Now she has only those eyes. So she sees me, not this body, she sees only that. Similarly she sees only that with everybody so she is not able to see, "This is a woman", "This is a man". If she could see that, all her running around business will be over. Let us see. There is a lot of time. She really hovers around desperately.
Sadhguru continues: She is not a ghost.
Not the way you have known ghosts. This is a spiritual person whose life is extended beyond the physical body. ...(pauses)...What do I do with a woman with a beard? [one can hear Sadhguru 'tsk' gently. You can just hear him shaking his head sadly].
See the beard is not real, it is just your own consciousness. You wish so much that you were a man, so some symbol of manhood hangs around you. It's almost like there are so many people here. Maybe not many but at least a few. Their call is you know, like...sometimes it's almost like you have a fish hook in your gut and somebody pulls you. It is like that. I just get up and I just feel like walking from Wholeness Program and I just stay on. It's different levels of growth, lack of proper guidance, people just go there and that's it.
The urge is so tremendous but there is no method. Just one push the man will go, but that one little push, there is nobody to give.
[video cuts to different painting of black haired Sadhguru teaching orange-robed disciples]
[Audio file quality changes so you can tell the next portion is from a different class titled - First Teacher's Training Class - Date: July 1994 at Isha Yoga Center]
[Sadhguru about certain disembodied beings hanging around him:]
Sadhguru:
People who came into my room, you should have noticed that I moved from the cot down. Because it was very uncomfortable for them to hang around. So I come down to the floor. I am sleeping on the floor for the last 3 days. They are around, they just want to sit there.
[Male voice - Q: Do they talk to you?]
Sadhguru A:
There is no communication. Those 30 days they would appear, when I look, they would be, behind something, disappearing, like this, it was going on. Now they have become very bold. They're just there all the time. They have gotten used to the place. They are very, you know? You know like the birds, one wrong movement, they fly off. You know, if you have done any bird watching, you have to watch them very, very carefully. One wrong movement they all fly off. So they are like that.
[Same male voice - Q: What do you mean by wrong movement?]
Sadhguru A:
Wrong movement would be, maybe very brisk movement of the body, see, they don't see the body. All that action, the amount of disturbance in the energy that it creates. When a person moves like this, the amount of disturbance that he creates in the atmosphere around him, they understand it in their own way. They perceive it in their own way. And they are very sensitive to these things. They don't like, dhamal dhimeel thing.
Female voice - Q: There is a being here wrapped in rough raiment who is always sticking to the corners? Why doesn't he move more freely like the other bhootha prethas?
[Video explains that Bhootha Prethas are disembodied beings and spirits]
Sadhguru A:
Yes, he didn't like the activity here so he's in a corner. But he wants to be here. They still live in their own habit patterns. The same old karmas, everything is the same. Just that the body has moved into a subtle nature. The grossness is gone. That's all.
Female voice - Q: Why are they here? What do they want?
Sadhguru A:
What do they want? These are not ghosts in the usual sense. What you call as ghosts are unfulfilled, lost beings. Something unfulfilled. Frustrated beings, usually. These are beings who have walked the spiritual path, but have not reached the goal. Somewhere, a little break. So either they have consciously chosen. One or two of them may have consciously chosen to remain in their subtle body and work out their remaining karma. Others have been granted this kind of a state. It's little more, one more chance. Superannuation you can say. You don't have to be born once again. Just find your way out here and that's it. It's over. So, there is time like that. So they are just hanging around.
[Male voice - Q: Are you helping them?]
Sadhguru A:
Not yet. See, I can pardon you if you don't help yourself from what I am but even people who have transcended their physical limitations, even if they can't help themselves, there is no pardon for them. You understand?
[Different male voice - Q: You are more strict with them?]
Sadhguru A:
Not a question of strict. As you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. You know, it's ok, first day you came here to SSY (one of Isha's yoga programs) you were acting stupid. It is all right. But as you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. And when a person has gone beyond his physical nature, that person, I expect him to be a lot more sensible.
[3rd different male voice - Q: How do they know you are a master?]
Sadhguru A:
They don't know your language, your master business, your guru business - all this. They only know the bag is empty. They are just seeing how to empty theirs and go. That's all. They don't know all this SSY, BSP (2 different Isha Yoga programs) and all this nonsense.
[2nd female Q - Is it a lot of work to dissolve them?]
Sadhguru A:
The work is just one moment. Understand. It's not a great teaching that I have to give them. If the work has to be done, it's just one moment. All they have to do is empty their bags into mine and go. That's all. It's as simple as that. It's just that they have to develop that much trust and that much of confidence.
[4th different male voice - Q: Even they have these trust and confidence problems?]
Sadhguru A:
Yes they have, mentally they have the same problems that you have. Only physical problems they are free. They don't have the bodily problems that you have. But otherwise their bag of karma is just, you know? Maybe their bag is small. They're just carrying a hand bag. But they have the same problems. They took so long to, you know, come and sit there. All these days, they were this moment there, the next moment not there. Appearing, disappearing. Now, they're continuously sitting there and beginning to enjoy themselves. It took a lot of time for you to do that, isn't it? Yes.
Disembodied Beings: Spooky Tales of Wholeness - Ep. 3 (of 6) - [edit: I am guessing it's 3?
For some reason the video no longer shows where it is in the sequential numbering - maybe because they plan on taking it down in the future? I have noticed some videos I saw in the beginning are no longer available! I only know that (for now) there are 6 total on this topic. I'm labeling it 3 because that's about when I first saw it.]
15 minutes - 1994
Transcript
*****
Transcriber's note: The video this transcript is from was illustrated throughout with many paintings by one or more very skilled artist(s) because the lectures exist only as an audio file.
*****
Female voice - Q: How does one differentiate between imagination and reality, because past few days I see an apparation who seems to be a woman.
[video cuts to painting of a woman with medium length blonde hair with a beard and mustache styled like Jesus' beard/mustache. She is hiding but peeking out from behind a door looking longingly at a Sadhguru class.]
Q continues: She never comes in the open, but seems to be lurking behind and watching us all the time.
[Video cuts to a painting of a much younger Sadhguru - all black hair, no grey anywhere. Much younger face. I think the painting is from an actual photograph of an early 1980s Sadhguru sitting on a slightly elevated cushioned stage with mics everywhere. A large class of orange robed disciples are listening to him].
Sadhguru's A:
See, it is not that she has a physical existence. It is physical of course but not this physical. You understand? It is not this physical. It is still physical, very, very subtle physical. It is not that she has manifested herself in any way, it's...(pauses)...she is like that.
Learnt spiritual path clandestinely, probably. It is so. The intensity is such that you know the growth has happened to some extent and the whole barrier was that you are not a man. You know the whole...(pauses)...so the only longing is that, "If I had come as a man, I would have gotten it." That's the whole thing. So now even as a woman you go around with a beard. And still, you know the karma of being clandestine is not dropped.
Right now there is enough opportunity that she can directly approach and it will be over, but still that same thing of doing things so that the man doesn't know. That's how...(pauses)....
That is how women have lived for centuries. She can, but the attitude, the karma with which you have lived and died, it is a little hard to overcome. It's not impossible but, you know, it's a certain attitude. Probably she is not able to comprehend that there are so many women here. If she can really understand that, I think things will be much more easier. She can see that she is also fit enough. Probably she still cannot.
See now when you don't have a physical body, you don't see a physical body also. To see this body you need these eyes. To see that body, you need a different kind of eyes. Now she has only those eyes. So she sees me, not this body, she sees only that. Similarly she sees only that with everybody so she is not able to see, "This is a woman", "This is a man". If she could see that, all her running around business will be over. Let us see. There is a lot of time. She really hovers around desperately.
Sadhguru continues: She is not a ghost.
Not the way you have known ghosts. This is a spiritual person whose life is extended beyond the physical body. ...(pauses)...What do I do with a woman with a beard? [one can hear Sadhguru 'tsk' gently. You can just hear him shaking his head sadly].
See the beard is not real, it is just your own consciousness. You wish so much that you were a man, so some symbol of manhood hangs around you. It's almost like there are so many people here. Maybe not many but at least a few. Their call is you know, like...sometimes it's almost like you have a fish hook in your gut and somebody pulls you. It is like that. I just get up and I just feel like walking from Wholeness Program and I just stay on. It's different levels of growth, lack of proper guidance, people just go there and that's it.
The urge is so tremendous but there is no method. Just one push the man will go, but that one little push, there is nobody to give.
[video cuts to different painting of black haired Sadhguru teaching orange-robed disciples]
[Audio file quality changes so you can tell the next portion is from a different class titled - First Teacher's Training Class - Date: July 1994 at Isha Yoga Center]
[Sadhguru about certain disembodied beings hanging around him:]
Sadhguru:
People who came into my room, you should have noticed that I moved from the cot down. Because it was very uncomfortable for them to hang around. So I come down to the floor. I am sleeping on the floor for the last 3 days. They are around, they just want to sit there.
[Male voice - Q: Do they talk to you?]
Sadhguru A:
There is no communication. Those 30 days they would appear, when I look, they would be, behind something, disappearing, like this, it was going on. Now they have become very bold. They're just there all the time. They have gotten used to the place. They are very, you know? You know like the birds, one wrong movement, they fly off. You know, if you have done any bird watching, you have to watch them very, very carefully. One wrong movement they all fly off. So they are like that.
[Same male voice - Q: What do you mean by wrong movement?]
Sadhguru A:
Wrong movement would be, maybe very brisk movement of the body, see, they don't see the body. All that action, the amount of disturbance in the energy that it creates. When a person moves like this, the amount of disturbance that he creates in the atmosphere around him, they understand it in their own way. They perceive it in their own way. And they are very sensitive to these things. They don't like, dhamal dhimeel thing.
Female voice - Q: There is a being here wrapped in rough raiment who is always sticking to the corners? Why doesn't he move more freely like the other bhootha prethas?
[Video explains that Bhootha Prethas are disembodied beings and spirits]
Sadhguru A:
Yes, he didn't like the activity here so he's in a corner. But he wants to be here. They still live in their own habit patterns. The same old karmas, everything is the same. Just that the body has moved into a subtle nature. The grossness is gone. That's all.
Female voice - Q: Why are they here? What do they want?
Sadhguru A:
What do they want? These are not ghosts in the usual sense. What you call as ghosts are unfulfilled, lost beings. Something unfulfilled. Frustrated beings, usually. These are beings who have walked the spiritual path, but have not reached the goal. Somewhere, a little break. So either they have consciously chosen. One or two of them may have consciously chosen to remain in their subtle body and work out their remaining karma. Others have been granted this kind of a state. It's little more, one more chance. Superannuation you can say. You don't have to be born once again. Just find your way out here and that's it. It's over. So, there is time like that. So they are just hanging around.
[Male voice - Q: Are you helping them?]
Sadhguru A:
Not yet. See, I can pardon you if you don't help yourself from what I am but even people who have transcended their physical limitations, even if they can't help themselves, there is no pardon for them. You understand?
[Different male voice - Q: You are more strict with them?]
Sadhguru A:
Not a question of strict. As you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. You know, it's ok, first day you came here to SSY (one of Isha's yoga programs) you were acting stupid. It is all right. But as you get closer to me, I expect you to be more sensible. And when a person has gone beyond his physical nature, that person, I expect him to be a lot more sensible.
[3rd different male voice - Q: How do they know you are a master?]
Sadhguru A:
They don't know your language, your master business, your guru business - all this. They only know the bag is empty. They are just seeing how to empty theirs and go. That's all. They don't know all this SSY, BSP (2 different Isha Yoga programs) and all this nonsense.
[2nd female Q - Is it a lot of work to dissolve them?]
Sadhguru A:
The work is just one moment. Understand. It's not a great teaching that I have to give them. If the work has to be done, it's just one moment. All they have to do is empty their bags into mine and go. That's all. It's as simple as that. It's just that they have to develop that much trust and that much of confidence.
[4th different male voice - Q: Even they have these trust and confidence problems?]
Sadhguru A:
Yes they have, mentally they have the same problems that you have. Only physical problems they are free. They don't have the bodily problems that you have. But otherwise their bag of karma is just, you know? Maybe their bag is small. They're just carrying a hand bag. But they have the same problems. They took so long to, you know, come and sit there. All these days, they were this moment there, the next moment not there. Appearing, disappearing. Now, they're continuously sitting there and beginning to enjoy themselves. It took a lot of time for you to do that, isn't it? Yes.
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